Think about their rage The fighting irish especially 100 years ago you wouldnt have not one Irishman admitting they were ever slaves ( they would talk about it amongst themselves, but never with outsiders whom werent real irish. I always wondered why a lot of families there had Irish last names (Riley, Dubbery etc.) It probably started out as a nickname given to a swarthy or darker-skinned person. My ancestors great great great great great grandparents, one French, one black, moved to new Orleans together (after his wife died) and owned slaves. The real culprit is blind greed, economic opportunism, and plain availability. slaves thus we have Irish names like McFadden, McDonalds ~ I think you will find McDonals is a Scottish name. Those who completed their term of service were awarded freedom dues and were free. That is sooooo stupid. IRA was very active at what time and why are you bringing terrorists into this? Ever wonder why those hillbillies talk funny? The black people of today are not harmed by the slavery of decades ago any more than I (an Irish-American) or any other Irishmen are. Google how and why enslaving whites/Christians was outlawed in the U.S. Im not going to do the research for you. Black people dont think or worry about slavery. The Irish language was nearly extinct and was only spoken in very remote parts of the country for a long period of time. (I feel it necessary to elaborate because of your intellectual handicap. Sure there is a difference, but servant is a perhaps a misnomer. I agree. naturally, that population mixed in with the newly arrive slave blacks as well as the indigenous blacks. Gallagher 15. One such example is that of the hundreds of thousands of Irish peasants who emigrated to America after the Great Famine of 1845 to 1849. That is why African Americans carry Irish surnames today. if you go to a protestant area in belfast they are putting polish and africans out of the area. Read it again. The defeat of the Vikings at the Battle of Clontarf in the year 1014 by Brian Boru marked the end of the struggle with the invaders and saw the subsequent integration of the Vikings into Irish society. Over the centuries, Ireland has seen much change, with invasion by the Anglo-Normans in the 12th century, followed by British colonisation in the 16th/17th century moments which significantly shaped our history. Ben Frankin was indentured for a time to his own cousin. #DoesntAddUp. A modern Irish variant spelling is Conchir. 9. It became a first name in the nineteenth century, and was used in Ireland to anglicise Duald, Dubhdaleithe (black man of the two sides), and Dubhdara. You cannot water down the mistreament of black slaves and the CONTINUED systematic/institutional oppression of black people. Id gladly accept a Cajun than a damn IRISH redneck!!!!!!! It started with a video of the Black Irish of Montserrat. Her first husband was White and her second husband was Black. I am African American and my last name is Mclilly. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the masters free workforce. She and many other commentators suggest and maintain that this is a racial issue, Black against White. It is safe to say that if we knew all of history everyones ancestry has been enslaved at sometime. Dont continue to nourish the seeds of bigotry by oversimplifying complicated historical issues and happenings into Blacks and Whites or any other shade of color. Certainly not the native potato-eating Catholic tenant farmers with no inheritance. My maiden name is Mc Knight. Also the codification of slavery based on race and as a condition of the mother did not fully take effect until the 1700s. Like many ancient lands, Ireland has seen the arrival of settlers, explorers, ancient tribes, and clans of all different nationalities over centuries. Thus, Black people dont have anything of value for the most part. One of the most notable people with the surname Dunne is Irish entrepreneur and former director of Dunnes Stores Ben Dunne. From what I understand, the African slaves didnt have or use last names during that time period. Britains solution was to auction them off as well. What I will do is to remind you that GOD gave us all an ability that sets us apart from lower animals and that is the ability to reason, use common sense instead of instinct, as lower animals do. The most prominent O'Conors were the Connacht clan of O'Conor . Idiotic! Many have also used the term to describe Irish immigrants who settled in the West Indies or African countries. Cathal OByrne As I Roved Out: A Book of The North. The truth is, you are an Israelite. I reject this and say that the skin color labels are themselves, at best, a statement of a bigot. Actress Katherine MacNamara is the most famous person with the surname MacNamara. Ryan Fitzpatrick, NFL quarterback, was named the fifth smartest athlete in sports by Sporting News in 2010. https://www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%E2%80%98irish-slaves%E2%80%99-convenient-myth. Black slaves were the alternatives because they could bear these conditions, and also knew farming techniques which they carried with them to the New World. Note: It was pointed out to me that there is a difference between indentured servitude and slavery. But there are many others who have suffered under slavery, the Irish as you mentioned here, also the Scottish, Jews (black, German, French..). Another was the prevailing feeling among the Southern States that they were not being representing and that their votes didnt count. Omg. The strong over the weak. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives. But still many commentators, and even thought our recent political history, make topics like these into racial issues. Interesting read. Please advise. Originating from France, the Normans were a primitive, powerful group of fighters who were first welcomed to the Emerald Isle, led by Dermot McMurrough, a king of Leinster (one of the islands four provinces) in Ireland. Stick to your own life, quit looking for your next cause celeb. Today, the island is made up of the Republic of Ireland (an independent country) and Northern Ireland (a part of the United Kingdom). Irish were indentured servants,which lasted 7 years. Ill make no apologies for White supremacy. Basketball player Blake Griffin and comedian Kathy Griffin are two of the most well-known people with the surname Griffin. So with that in mind I guess history allready was rewritten in favour of the British Another clue are terms "Black Dutch" and "Black Irish." These were used by families to hide their ethnicity. However it took a while for them to be recognized as equals, even when JFK was elected as the first real Irishman to be president!!!!!. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Begin typing your search above and press return to search. Excellent article, sadly but all true. Lynch 18. Theres ample others who would be willing to debate this with you. Actress Lauren Graham is one of the most famous Grahams. I was crying, but I wouldnt changed the colors of how I seen Jesus. Inquire at- I have about 3 lines of my family in which this happened. Indeed this criminalisation of the poor continues into the 21st century. This seems to be the deniers and minimizes position. British politician, writer, and broadcaster Bryan Magee is one of the most well-known Magees. Where they were made to feel unwelcome, they headed for the hills, which is why we have the Appalachian populations, and others like them, populating those hills to this day. Australian model and actor Julian MacMahon is one of the most famous MacMahons. Also: Over centuries, as groups arrived and fled, ancient Ireland began to take shape. British Penal Code offenders, Irish Rebels and, the destitute hardly have the power to enter into voluntary servitude (whether some poor actually did or not), it would be like calling your dog a voluntary pet. The most Kelley families were found in USA in 1880. However, let me respond. Their original homeland was Monaghan, where their surname is still the most common. Captured irish were SLAVES, and nothing but slaves, no matter how these hysterical (fake) leftists are trying to prove otherwise. The Normans were dark in complexion, often with dark hair and eyes. Do you have any references from which I can further research this? And not just black and Irish, but other races/groups as well. Natives did not participate in the slave trade. No one forced them to commit a crime. But nowadays American people ( so called african americans and redneck irish) are all dumbed down, thats why you are fighting to be the worst treated slaves. Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Smh. The Normans were invited into Ireland by Dermot McMurrough and were led by the famous Strongbow. Early Origins of the Black family. http://www.irishcentral.com/news/first-lady-michelle-obamas-irish-slave-owner-roots-are-revealed-159341955-237511041.html Famous people with the surname OBrien include comedian Conan OBrien, actor Dylan OBrien, and guitarist Pat OBrien. And I didnt look at the color of the skin of my brothers nor sisters. The mental gymnastics required to equate having Irish last names and black Americans with the Irish having been slaves right along side us is astounding. To add to it the female is usually severely overweight about half the time. Although, I recognize that the facts of this article are in dispute, with regard to the treatment of the Irish by the British Empire, knowing what I do about history, it is not entirely unlikely that much of this is true. Northern Irish football player Alex Higgins is one of the most well-known people with this surname. All of the people I have ever met with the last name Orr have been white, Im a brown girl. Maybe because the African names were too hard to pronounce. Racism was a mischaracterization of that content. O'Sullivan 4. Have you met Jesus . Oh, and by the way, my Irish ancestors fought for the North at Gettysburg, for three hundred dollars and a ticket out of Ireland. I was investigating the origin of my very Irish name FRAN MCCARTHY! Walsh Irish spelling: Breathnach Meaning: Welshman. Impregnating Black slaves was a way to increase the wealth of the slave owners. Spreading these values will end modern slavery, and help us make the entire history of slavery a thing of the past. Your comment about liberals is also misdirected, they dont seem to be making the argument for Irish slavery. There is a prevailing debate amongst the commentators that leaves me with strong feelings of indignation. The byword "African-American" was just adopted by our ppl in the 1980s due to the counsel of our so-called black "leaders" a Jesse Jackson. So I picked up those big fat ugly crayons .. Interesting. 6. Yeah, well done Harrison, first bit I read about James IIs proclamation 8 years before he was even born cracked me up! If so then wheres the genetic descendantcy of white besides the colonizing unaltered British or whatever bloodline in the West Indies today? Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. Amazing people. ONeill is perhaps one of the most famous Gaelic surnames worldwide. The terminology is interchangeable, while there are cetainly differences in forms of slavery to say there was none is a tad rich, unless youve been an indentured servant yourself perhaps you know the benefits? Its a shame that Whites and Blacks who were both subjected to British Imperialism have such trouble relating to each other because of the culturally enforced color-lines weve all be assimilated into. Africans had names that made no sense to the English speaking enslavers, so they gave them English names. And a minority of slave owners were also black. Theyll come up with terms like Indentured Servants to describe what occurred to the Irish. It was prophesied that our people would go into slavery on ships because we broke Gods commandments. You did not cite any sources and Id love to research even further. Why do we continue to ignore the pain of others? Racism is one of many mechanisms designed to keep people divided and oppressed, and it only serves to further the interest of evil people. This is a human issue, not a race one. [] Source: How Blacks have Irish Last Names []. This proclamation lasted 200 years ,ending some 9-13 years before Black Slavery Emancipation. Stop with this damn lie. ? Irish slaves suffered as much as black people did so they married each other?? There have always been slaves, everywhere, all over the world, just as there has always been war and violence. X-Factor winner Shane Ward is one of the most well-known Wards. I would like to share this article on Facebook but do not see a Facebook icon to share the link. A quick review of Irish history reveals that the island was subject to a number of influxes of foreign people. They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. On December 21, 1988 Jesse Jackson and a group of other black leaders officialy declared their support for the term African American. William Downing and Philip Welch. Murphy (56648) 2. If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. British actress and screenwriter Emer Kenny is one of the most well-known Kennys. "X" became the chosen surname of many black nationalists who rejected their slave names. America was named after another so-called white man by the name of Amerigo Vespuci. The difference being, that African Americans are one of the oldests ethnic groups in America, and the majority of Irish being relatively new. The truth is African-American is not your true nationality. The majority of Irish did not immigrate till after the close of the atlantic slave trade, and towards the civil war, or until the opening of the 20th century. Were revealing where the term comes from and who exactly the term is referring to. History is on the table not politics, but I fully embrace the author of the blog to provide sources in effort to clear up all the confusion thats been created. After which they were given the title of white and used as overseers on plantations. http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/irish-slaves-myth-2369653-Oct2015/. Youll find that most often the enslaved are identified by age and gender only. So if Irish slavery and African slavery the same why arent the Irish suffering the same fate as blacks today. 1847 was known as "black 47." That is the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard. They have suffered nothing but a lack of potatoes and cabbages. http://library.law.umn.edu/irishlaw/subjectlist.html, And this documentary shows the conditions of life for Irish catholics during that time. This article attempts to make little of the term, indentured servitude, but the term has legal and Biblical definitions that give it limitations. Derogatory names for immigrant groups are legion and in the case of those who left Ireland include "Shanty Irish" and almost certainly "Black Irish." Just to add the most interesting reference was to Dubhdaleithe adopted in Ireland as a first name according to that link. The terminology is important, which has been duly noted and exaggerated on both ends of the discussion. I have heard of some of the stories of the Irish slave trade; however, the black slaves in American took their last names from their masters; who usually had Scottish, Irish, or English last names. Still, you probably ask your colleague or friend its meaning, and theyre likely to draw a blank. Are the Australian Aborigines to be categorized in this same way although, willingly or unwillingly, they didnt participate in the same slave trade and share no (at least within the past several thousand years) common history with the African Blacks? Although there were Irish Pirates who participated in the slave trade on behalf of France, they did not discriminate and would take Irish or African slaves to sell. ("Defeat of the Spanish Armada", painted by Philip James de Loutherbourg). Irish names and surnames are steeped in our country's rich tradition and centuries of history. In Gaelic, the Irish native language, the word for black (or dark) is 'dubh', and foreigner is 'gall'. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry. She has travelled Europe, Africa, America, Asia and Australia and still claims that wanderlust tempts her daily. To pick on Chloe (Admittedly, I Enjoy picking on ignorant bigots); she mentions how Whites suppressed Blacks and sites example after example and doesnt fail to continue to mention color over and over again. More than a sense of pride, our names give us the ability to trace our Irish roots through the generations. Variant form (s) O'Conor, Connor, Conor. Prisoners whether for rebellion or minor offenses ended up in service. The Irish people are native to the island country. In its conception, Ireland was made up of kin groups or clans. Irelands population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. The master, overseer, slave driver and all of their male relatives or any white male visiting a plantation for business purposes could access any black woman and rape her. One of the most famous ODohertys is Irish stand-up comedian David ODoherty. 250 years you say? So they forgot where there came from, slavery and became slavers or helped them. Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) about Irish surnames. The English settlers (the masters in Ireland, supported by the English/British army) spoke English. The fact is that any white male could sexually assault a black woman with impunity. As things evolved though the change from indentured to enslaved came in a big way because of the darker skin tone making it easier to identify runaways and the popularity of black Africans entering a lifetime period of slavery is why indentured servitude was replaced with full on actual slavery. Many Native American tribes would enslave other tribes that theyd conquer. Your email address will not be published. The Irish and Scots-Irish did indeed own slaves in America and many of their emancipated slaves took their surname. Compare Blatch and Blick . Just as some Black werent slaves, but that is neither representative of the story of American slavery or their lot I would suspect. But I digress; apparently what Chloes real point is by this previous statement is that, when/if Whites talk about how a part of their race was oppressed and enslaved at one point in history that it somehow diminishes and lessens the Blacks slave history and only serves to to make Whites feel better about them-selves. Im curious to know how/why the Irish slaves were able to keep their Irish last names?Traditionally slaves had to take on their owners last name. They were allowed to keep their last names? The O or preceding a second name means the grandson of or descendant of and is a common feat in Irish surnames. Are we interested in championing numbers or political views here? It was not until Darwin that the belief that physical traits identified race. * Originally published 2013. Saying that she believes Ireland - her homeland - is the most enchanting place she has ever been and is passionate about documenting the Emerald Isle. Im so saddened and grateful for all of your research on this. Famous Regans include actress Bridget Regan and talk-show host Trish Regan. In 1840 there were 196 Blake families living in Maine. As an African American woman with an Irish last name, i knew the Irish were slaves and figured thats how i got my last name. Tim the first Commodore of the Ciast Gusrd. Walsh (35358) 4. If Irish and blacks suffer slavery together, why is it only the blacks that lost their surnames and the Irish somehow retained their surnames and a knowledge of who they were [IRISH]?!? Famous people with this surname include singers James Brown and Chris Brown.
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